AMY GOODMAN: Tariq Ali, we’re going to have to break, but I do want to ask you a question, where you just have 30 seconds to respond, and it’s wading into U.S. politics and where you are, in Britain. The British Parliament had a debate over whether to ban Donald Trump—they decided not to—because of his statement that he wanted to ban all Muslims from coming into the United States. The significance of this?

TARIQ ALI: Well, it’s significant, but it’s—it was not a surprising decision. And I, myself—Amy, I have to say that, you know, I’m not in favor of banning people, because once you start banning people from the right who are mouthing extreme-right rubbish, this then leads to similar bans against progressive people, people on the left accused of being terrorists, etc. It’s better to debate these people out rather than to ban them. That’s my opinion.

AMY GOODMAN: I want to thank you for being with us, Tariq Ali, a British-Pakistani political commentator, written a number of books on Pakistani politics and history and on global politics, and Jibran Nasir, joining us from Islamabad, Pakistani political activist and lawyer.

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