AMY GOODMAN: One more question I want to raise with Bill McKibben, our guest right now, and that’s The Guardian piece that he wrote called “The Paris summit is missing one of the great world leaders on climate.” The article is about former Maldives President Mohamed Nasheed. For years, he was a leading climate campaigner. Today he sits in a prison cell after being deposed in a coup. This is a clip of Mohamed Nasheed in 2009.

MOHAMED NASHEED: If it was important for countries to defend Poland in the 1930s because it was a frontline state, it’s very important to take care of the Maldives now, because the Maldives and many other small states are in the frontline of what is happening to the world, to climate today. If you can’t defend the Maldives today, you won’t be able to defend yourself tomorrow.

AMY GOODMAN: That was Mohamed Nasheed in 2009. And I certainly remember—met Mohamed Nasheed for the first time that year at the Copenhagen climate summit, one of the most vocal voices around the effects of climate change with his islands nation, Maldives. Bill McKibben, where is he today?

BILL McKIBBEN: Well, he’s in prison, on a prison island in that archipelago. Look, the Copenhagen climate summit, a great failure, had very few heroes, but one of them was Mohamed Nasheed. I won’t soon forget him leading a huge crowd of people and chanting “3-5-0,” booming out across that conference center. Nor will I forget, ever, the activism that he displayed. He, you know, taught his whole Cabinet to scuba dive, so they could hold an underwater meeting on their dying coral reef, something that was on the front page of every paper around the planet, to dramatize what was happening.

What happened to him is horrible. He was not only a climate leader, of course, he was a great freedom fighter. They call him the Mandela of the Indian Ocean. He overthrew a dictator of 30 years in a free election. But the dictator’s people fought back and, in a military coup, deposed him. Not only is he now in jail, but so are many, many others, including many leaders of other political parties. The Maldives has turned into a full-on autocracy. Nasheed is apparently in poor health and being denied medical treatment. Amnesty International is speaking out on his behalf. So is Amal Clooney, who’s traveled there, the human rights lawyer, to visit with him. But it is a disgrace, and one hopes that leaders here at this conference will remember his leadership and speak up a little bit on his behalf.

AMY GOODMAN: Sadly, after the gun was put to his head and he was deposed in a military coup, the U.S., I believe, was the first, if not one of the first countries, to recognize the new coup government.

BILL McKIBBEN: It’s a—it’s really, really sad. It’s not as if the Maldives has some kind of enormous strategic value to anyone. It has enormous moral value. This is an archipelago of a thousand islands stretching across the Equator in the Indian Ocean, but the highest point in the archipelago is only a few meters above sea level. They are the poster child for where not to be in a warming world. And it was Nasheed, promised to take his whole country carbon-neutral by 2020. Instead, the dictators running it now are inviting the oil industry in to drill around the edges of those islands. If you want to think about irony, it doesn’t get much better than that.

AMY GOODMAN: Folks should check out our hour interview with Mohamed Nasheed before he was imprisoned, at democracynow.org.