Education Secretary Betsy DeVos refused to state Tuesday whether schools should be allowed to discriminate against students based on sexual orientation or gender identity. This is Betsy DeVos being questioned by Wisconsin Democrat Mark Pocan during testimony before a House Education Appropriations Subcommittee.

Rep. Mark Pocan: “Do you think it’s all right for a school to discriminate based on someone’s sexual orientation or gender identity?”

Education Secretary Betsy DeVos: “We have laws that cover discriminatory efforts, and our Office for Civil Rights has continued to be very diligent in investigating any allegation of discrimination and will continue to do so.”

Rep. Mark Pocan: “So, is that a yes, or is that a no? I’m trying to get a yes or no, I guess, on that.”

Education Secretary Betsy DeVos: “We follow the law as this body has”—

Rep. Mark Pocan: “So, personally, you don’t have an opinion on it?”

Education Secretary Betsy DeVos: —”has defined. And”—

Rep. Mark Pocan: “OK. Because you are giving money—it leads me to the next question. You are giving money to some charter schools that do discriminate.”