The official election of Donald Trump comes as an interview aired in which first lady Michelle Obama told Oprah Winfrey that she and her husband, President Barack Obama, now know what it’s like not to feel hope for the future.

Michelle Obama: “See, now we’re feeling what not having hope feels like, you know. Hope is necessary. It’s a necessary concept. And Barack didn’t just talk about hope because he thought it was just a nice slogan to get votes. I mean, he and I and so many believe that if you—what else do you have if you don’t have hope? What do you give your kids if you can’t give them hope?”

Over the weekend, as clips of the taped interview were published online, Donald Trump attacked first lady Michelle Obama, claiming that she “must have been talking about the past.”